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[Robert Brock]

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>   1. lesser goldfinches (Margaret Stephens)
>   2. Re: Mountain Quail detection (Tim Rodenkirk)
>   3. Rainier Bobwhites & Others (Hannah Fritz)
>   4. Local RBA: Black Phoebe at Circle Creek (Mike Patterson)
>   5. Re: Local RBA: Black Phoebe at Circle Creek (Mike Patterson)
>   6. Corvallis Collared-Dove sp. & Philomath mystery nesting bird
>      (Joel Geier)
>   7. And on a lighter note ... (Joel Geier)
>   8. Fishers (Alan Contreras)
>   9. Re: Fishers (Mike Patterson)
>  10. Re: Fishers (Dan Gleason)
>  11. Re: fishers (pamela johnston)
>  12. nestbox thoughts (pamela johnston)
>  13. Re: Re: fishers (Tim Lee)
>  14. Re: Re: fishers (Chet ogan)
>  15. Re: Rainier Bobwhites & Others (Lars and Gail Norgren)
>  16. Re: Re: fishers (Lars and Gail Norgren)
>  17. NIGHTHAWKS (Lars and Gail Norgren)
>  18. Re: obol Digest, Vol 33, Issue 17 (Robert Brock)
>  19. miniature Say's Phoebe? (Linda Fink)
>  20. First Junco in yard/ crow w/ white wing/hummers (Kat & Bill)
>  21. Summer Gulls in Salem (michel Kleinbaum)
>  22. Re: Re: fishers (Jeff Gilligan)
>  23. Re: First Junco in yard/ crow w/ white wing/hummers
>      (Lars and Gail Norgren)
>  24. Juncos in the Valley (Ray Korpi)
>  25. Tillamook report. (Jeff Gilligan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:28:50 -0700
> From: "Margaret Stephens" <mlstep at msn.com>
> Subject: [obol] lesser goldfinches
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> In the last two years since I've been planting drifts of bachelor's 
> buttons
> in my NE Salem yard, lesser goldfinches have been frequent and numerous
> visitors to the seed heads.  They really seem to especially love these
> flower seeds.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:44:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tim Rodenkirk <garbledmodwit at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [obol] Mountain Quail detection
> To: Lars and Gail Norgren <gnorgren at earthlink.net>, obol
> <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> I think the easiest time to detect Mt. Quail is from
> mid-April to mid-June when they are calling like mad
> in the early AM in the Coast Range- they are very
> common, at least in Coos County.  Actually seeing
> these birds is a different story; now and the next few
> weeks when the young are out and about is probably the
> best time to see them as Lars mentioned.
>
> Tim Rodenkirk
> down yonder in Coos County
>
> --- Lars and Gail Norgren <gnorgren at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>      The Dog Days of August with their dreadful
>> silent dawns are approaching. One way to compensate
>> this loss is to look for Mountain Quail, whose
>> detectability goes from its annual low in June
>> to its annual high in August. Pat Waldron posted
>> the arrival in her yard of Mountain Quail chicks
>> about the last day of June. Inspired by this I
>> took a walk first thing Sunday morning July 2
>> and was rewarded by a group of downy chicks
>> somewhat under 3km from my house. I never saw
>> the parents. Pat mentioned dust baths in
>> surprisingly
>> hard gravel roads. I had just passed a dozen
>> such traces when I saw the chicks.
>>       These dust baths make it possible to locate
>> quail territories without hearing or seeing them.
>> You then have the option of returning in the near
>> future in hopes of better luck. The Mountain Quail
>> remove the coarsest gravel from the road and work
>> up a layer of dust in the resulting shallow bowl.
>> The scrape is about the size of an adult human hand,
>> that is to say the area a Mountain Quail would take
>> up when lying on its side. I can't think of other
>> birds in this habitat that would have the power
>> to scrape through such hard packed ground. A few
>> small body feathers are often left behind. Once
>> established, these dust baths are used daily. The
>> ones in my neighborhood occur in the same places
>> used by quail in the middle of winter. If you can't
>> return to a spot immediately, visiting it months
>> later may still be rewarding.
>> Lars Norgren
>> MANNING OREGON
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:47:33 -0700
> From: "Hannah Fritz" <hannahlee at opusnet.com>
> Subject: [obol] Rainier Bobwhites & Others
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> The family and I spend the weekend camping at Hudson Park, just N of
> Rainier. The park was filled with Brown Creepers, Golden-Crowned Kinglets,
> Robins, and Chestnut Backed Chickadees. Also spotted and/or heard were
> Pacific Slope Flycatcher, N. Flicker, Pileated Woodpecker, Crow, American
> Goldfinch, Song Sparrow, Evening Grosbeak, Bullock's Oriole, Swainson's
> Thrush, Spotted Towhee, Dark-eyed Junco, Turkey Vulture, Red-Tailed Hawk,
> and Steller's Jay.
>
> One evening, I observed 5-6 quail wandering around the softball diamond,
> foraging on the ground and chasing robins. I observed the group for quite
> some time, frustrated because they were not in my book and I had no idea
> what the species was. I made as many notes as I could, and figured I'd 
> look
> it up when I got home. I've since confirmed they were Northern Bobwhite
> (coincidentally, there's a photo of them in the Birds & Blooms that was in
> our mailbox AND the person who sent in the photo lives 10 miles from the
> town I grew up in in Iowa...). I wonder if these Bobwhite are gamebirds 
> that
> someone bred and released in the wild with the intent of coming back and
> hunting them? I guess they would have to be.
>
> Now that we're back home we discover some type of swallow (barn, tree,
> cliff, VG?) has built a nest in our walls... somehow. Everytime the parent
> comes back to the nest... oh the ruckus that ensues.
>
> Hannah
> St. Helens
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:53:45 -0700
> From: Mike Patterson <celata at pacifier.com>
> Subject: [obol] Local RBA: Black Phoebe at Circle Creek
> To: Obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> I just got off the phone with Neal Maine he saw what, based
> in the description, sound to be a BLACK PHOEBE at Circle Creek
> just south of Seaside.
>
> I photographed a bird he describes as looking like a smallish
> Eastern Kingbird (which he saw and photographed earlier this
> year at Circle Creek), but with a black throat.  Additional
> descriptive details suggest it might be a hatch-year bird...
>
> We'll confirm or recant once we get somebody out to look at
> the photos.
>
> -- 
> Mike Patterson
> Astoria, OR
> celata at pacifier.com
>
> Why birders hate Cordilleran Flycatchers
> http://www.surfbirds.com/blogs/mbalame/archives/003981.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:56:20 -0700
> From: Mike Patterson <celata at pacifier.com>
> Subject: [obol] Re: Local RBA: Black Phoebe at Circle Creek
> To: Obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> The text should read: He photographed....
>
> Mike Patterson wrote:
>>
>> I just got off the phone with Neal Maine he saw what, based
>> in the description, sound to be a BLACK PHOEBE at Circle Creek
>> just south of Seaside.
>>
>> I photographed a bird he describes as looking like a smallish
>> Eastern Kingbird (which he saw and photographed earlier this
>> year at Circle Creek), but with a black throat.  Additional
>> descriptive details suggest it might be a hatch-year bird...
>>
>> We'll confirm or recant once we get somebody out to look at
>> the photos.
>>
>> --
>> Mike Patterson
>> Astoria, OR
>> celata at pacifier.com
>>
>> Why birders hate Cordilleran Flycatchers
>> http://www.surfbirds.com/blogs/mbalame/archives/003981.html
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> -- 
> Mike Patterson
> Astoria, OR
> celata at pacifier.com
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> Why birders hate Cordilleran Flycatchers
> http://www.surfbirds.com/blogs/mbalame/archives/003981.html
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:58:11 -0700
> From: Joel Geier <jgeier at attglobal.net>
> Subject: [obol] Corvallis Collared-Dove sp. & Philomath mystery
> nesting bird
> To: Oregon Birders OnLine <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> Hello folks,
>
> Thanks to Wayne Hoffman, Peggy Krause, Dennis Vroman, and Wayne Weber
> for posting their insights on the Corvallis Collared-Dove. This process
> has been very educational for me.
>
> I hope other OBOLers at least did not mind the discussion of this ID
> problem. I fully agree with the suggestion that this problem will likely
> be purely academic in a few years, as the Eurasian Collared-Dove
> onslaught continues and swamps whatever reservoir of feral Ringed
> Turtle-Doves we have locally ("Africanized" or otherwise). I'm not
> convinced we've reached that point yet, based on my encounter with the
> Independence collared-dove sp. plus some serendipitous knowledge of the
> local informal pet trade.
>
> I very much appreciate Wayne Hoffman's explanation of what points he
> considers to be reliable in this case. It seems to come down to plumage
> traits that might take a certain expertise to recognize. Scott Murray
> (who has spent thirteen years in Europe where the ID problem I raised
> comes up) has concurred with Wayne's assessment of the general plumage,
> noting that the color on the tail and rump is too light for an African
> Collared-Dove. This is a trait mentioned in my European references but
> again, it seems like something that could take a practised eye to 
> evaluate.
>
> I'm now fairly confident that the bird in question is a Eurasian
> Collared-Dove. We also had an Collared-Dove sp. sighting in Corvallis by
> Bill Proebsting in early May, less than two weeks prior and perhaps
> three miles distant from Peggy Krause's sighting, for which photos may
> be available.
>
> On that nesting non-gnatcatcher south of Philomath, Arch MCallum's
> suggestion of a vireo is a good one. From the one somewhat blurry photo
> I have seen, Cassin's or Hutton's could work. The bill in the photo
> looks a bit too pointy for either, but on the other hand, the crown of
> the bird looked too compressed for a flycatcher.
>
> The nest placement does fit Arch's description of Acadian Flycatcher
> nests to a tee, but a vireo definitely seems more likely. If the bird is
> in fact one of our regular small flycatchers, the nest may be worthy of
> a short note in Oregon Birds someday.
>
> However, I would not rule out a vireo at this point. I am fairly
> confident that the bird is not a Turkey Vulture or a Great Blue Heron,
> or Sasquatch for that matter.
>
> Good birding,
> Joel
>
> --
> Joel Geier
> jgeier at attglobal.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:18:17 -0700
> From: Joel Geier <jgeier at attglobal.net>
> Subject: [obol] And on a lighter note ...
> To: Oregon Birders OnLine <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> Hello again folks,
>
> This morning a family of OREGON JUNCOS came down off the ridge to the
> little water feature I recently set up. There were at least three
> juveniles, foraging independently at times but still taking handouts
> from mom and dad.
>
> A SONG SPARROW family including one tailless and clueless juvenile (plus
> two juveniles that were simply clueless) was also present. One of the
> clueless juvenile Song Sparrows briefly faced off with a WILLOW
> FLYCATCHER in a low branch of some English hawthorn resprout that keeps
> coming back.
>
> It was nice to see some birds that do not require agonizing
> consideration of details.
>
> Good birding,
> Joel
>
> --
> Joel Geier
> Camp Adair area (n. of Corvallis), Oregon
> jgeier at attgloba.net
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:25:47 -0700
> From: Alan Contreras <acontrer at MINDSPRING.COM>
> Subject: [obol] Fishers
> To: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> The mammal that eats porcupines.
>
> I read an article recently that in effect said there are no fishers in the
> Wallowas.  I know that Joe Evanich photographed one there maybe 15-20 
> years
> ago.  I saw the photo.  Does anyone know where Joe's photos went?  Has
> anyone else seen a fisher in Oregon away from the s. Cascades-Siskiyous? 
> I
> have never seen one anywhere.
>
> -- 
> Alan Contreras
> EUGENE, OREGON
> acontrer at mindspring.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:41:39 -0700
> From: Mike Patterson <celata at pacifier.com>
> Subject: [obol] Re: Fishers
> To: Alan Contreras <acontrer at MINDSPRING.COM>
> Cc: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> I suspect the article you read may have skimped on the fact checking....
>
> This from Verts and Carraway. 1998. Land Mammals of Oregon.
> OSU Press, Corvallis:
>
> "Only three specimens of fishers from Oregon are on deposit in
> systematic collections, two from Lane Co. and one from Douglas Co."
>
> then under remarks
>
> "Numbers of fishers throughout their range declined
> dramatically during the first half of the 20th century largely
> from overtrapping and destruction of habitats (Berg,1982, Powell,
> 1979a).In Oregon,a trapping season on fishers remained open until
> 1937 (Powell, 1982b), but records for the previous decade indicate
> that fewer than a dozen were taken annually (Olterman and Verts,
> 1972). Fishers were never extirpated from the state, as reports
> of sightings and the occasional capture of an individual continued
> through the 1950s (Olterman and Verts, 1972). In l961, 11 fishers
> from British Columbia were released on Buck Lake, Klamath Co., and
> 13 others from the same source were released at two sites in
> Wallowa Co. (Kebbe, 1961). The claimed justification for transplanting
> fishers into Oregon was the control of porcupines (Kebbe, 1961).
>>From a questionnaire survey of management agencies in states that
> had reintroduced fishers, Berg (1982) concluded that the success
> of the transplants into Oregon was questionable. Powell (1982b:77)
> cited an agency report authored by R. Ingram that indicated that the
> Oregon introductions "barely supplemented the existing population."
> Yocom and McCollum (1973) reported 29 sight records of fishers in
> Oregon in the late 1960s and early 1970s by personnel of the U.S.
> Forest Service and National Park Service. Most of the records were
> in the vicinity of Crater Lake National Park and northward in the
> Cascade Range; three records were from the Wallowa Mountains. In
> 1981,13 fishers from Minnesota were transplanted into Oregon
> (Berg, 1982)."
>
> There's also a graphic description of exactly how a fisher goes about
> eating a porcupine which involves biting their faces.
>
> Alan Contreras wrote:
>>
>> The mammal that eats porcupines.
>>
>> I read an article recently that in effect said there are no fishers in 
>> the
>> Wallowas.  I know that Joe Evanich photographed one there maybe 15-20 
>> years
>> ago.  I saw the photo.  Does anyone know where Joe's photos went?  Has
>> anyone else seen a fisher in Oregon away from the s. Cascades-Siskiyous? 
>> I
>> have never seen one anywhere.
>>
>> --
>> Alan Contreras
>> EUGENE, OREGON
>> acontrer at mindspring.com
>
>
> -- 
> Mike Patterson
> Astoria, OR
> celata at pacifier.com
>
> Why birders hate Cordilleran Flycatchers
> http://www.surfbirds.com/blogs/mbalame/archives/003981.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:49:50 -0700
> From: Dan Gleason <dan-gleason at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [obol] Fishers
> To: Alan Contreras <acontrer at MINDSPRING.COM>
> Cc: obol at lists.oregonstate.edu
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> I have seen fisher just once, near Bobby Lake (by Waldo Lake). There
> is no reason to believe that they do not occur in the forests of the
> Wallowas. Ingles, Mammals of the Pacific States shows a small portion
> of the far NE corner of Oregon as part of their range and Atlas of
> Oregon Wildlife (Csuti, et al.) shows the range across the Wallowas.
>
> Fishers are very solitary animals and aggressively defend a large
> territory against all challengers. Their numbers are probably not
> large anywhere so your chances of seeing one are very small. Martens
> are more frequently seen, and sometimes mistaken for fishers, but
> they are scarce as well (I have seen three).
>
> Dan Gleason
> -------------
> Dan Gleason
> dan-gleason at comcast.net
> 541 345-0450
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Alan Contreras wrote:
>
>> The mammal that eats porcupines.
>>
>> I read an article recently that in effect said there are no fishers
>> in the
>> Wallowas.  I know that Joe Evanich photographed one there maybe
>> 15-20 years
>> ago.  I saw the photo.  Does anyone know where Joe's photos went?  Has
>> anyone else seen a fisher in Oregon away from the s. Cascades-
>> Siskiyous?  I
>> have never seen one anywhere.
>>
>> -- 
>> Alan Contreras
>> EUGENE, OREGON
>> acontrer at mindspring.com
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:29:10 -0700
> From: "pamela johnston" <pamelaj at spiritone.com>
> Subject: [obol] Re: fishers
> To: "obol" <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> Ok, Mike, HOW do they bite the porcupine on the face? It's a pretty flat
> nose at the front of a well-armed little head.
>
> Pam Johnston
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:36:50 -0700
> From: "pamela johnston" <pamelaj at spiritone.com>
> Subject: [obol] nestbox thoughts
> To: "obol" <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> After all the discussion in recent weeks of nestbox problems, I wonder if 
> we
> know how the internal temperatures of nestboxes compare with those of
> natural cavities. I'm betting they are more responsive to the external
> temperature, while tree cavities are more moderate.
>
> Has this been studied?
>
> Pamela Johnston
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tim Lee <tim2lee at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [obol] Re: fishers
> To: pamela johnston <pamelaj at spiritone.com>,
> obol at lists.oregonstate.edu
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> Killing porcupines isn't an easy business, according
> to National Audubon Society Field Guide to Mammals of
> North America. The fisher circle the porcupine (since
> porcupines rotate to keep their backs on fisher) and
> strike at the face unexpectedly whenever porcupine's
> head is facing him (the face lacks quills), often
> risking quill wounds.
>
> Sometimes porcupines will put their faces against the
> trees for protection, but fisher, which is much more
> agile, may climb the tree and descend headfirst,
> thereby forcing porcupine away from any protection. It
> will then repeatedly bite the face (risking
> surrounding quills) until the prey suffers from a
> shock. It's not uncommon for fishers to sustain
> injuries, and deaths from severe quill injuries could
> also occur.
>
> Porcupines aren't large percentage of fisher's diet,
> but very vital, since it can supply so much food,
> which also provides energy for over a month.
>
> Tim Lee
> Eugene
>
>
> --- pamela johnston <pamelaj at spiritone.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, Mike, HOW do they bite the porcupine on the
>> face? It's a pretty flat
>> nose at the front of a well-armed little head.
>>
>> Pam Johnston
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:18:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Chet ogan <oganc at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [obol] Re: fishers
> To: obol at lists.oregonstate.edu
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> I understand from Dr Zielinski that fishers will bite
> at the porcupine's face enough that in its defensive
> attempts, it exposes its soft, spineless underbelly.
> I have seen 3 fishers and but only one marten in the
> wild, none in Oregon.
>
> Chet Ogan
> Eureka California
>
> --- Tim Lee <tim2lee at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Killing porcupines isn't an easy business, according
>> to National Audubon Society Field Guide to Mammals
>> of
>> North America. The fisher circle the porcupine
>> (since
>> porcupines rotate to keep their backs on fisher) and
>> strike at the face unexpectedly whenever porcupine's
>> head is facing him (the face lacks quills), often
>> risking quill wounds.
>>
>> Sometimes porcupines will put their faces against
>> the
>> trees for protection, but fisher, which is much more
>> agile, may climb the tree and descend headfirst,
>> thereby forcing porcupine away from any protection.
>> It
>> will then repeatedly bite the face (risking
>> surrounding quills) until the prey suffers from a
>> shock. It's not uncommon for fishers to sustain
>> injuries, and deaths from severe quill injuries
>> could
>> also occur.
>>
>> Porcupines aren't large percentage of fisher's diet,
>> but very vital, since it can supply so much food,
>> which also provides energy for over a month.
>>
>> Tim Lee
>> Eugene
>>
>>
>> --- pamela johnston <pamelaj at spiritone.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, Mike, HOW do they bite the porcupine on the
>> > face? It's a pretty flat
>> > nose at the front of a well-armed little head.
>> >
>> > Pam Johnston
>> >
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:43:38 -0700
> From: Lars and Gail Norgren <gnorgren at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [obol] Rainier Bobwhites & Others
> To: "Hannah Fritz" <hannahlee at opusnet.com>
> Cc: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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>      This is not far from Clatskanie
> where a farm once raised Bobwhite to
> sell to restaurants. I don't know if
> it's still in business.
> Lars Norgren
> Manning Oregon
> On Jul 17, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Hannah Fritz wrote:
>
>> The family and I spend the weekend camping at Hudson Park, just N of
>> Rainier. The park was filled with Brown Creepers, Golden-Crowned
>> Kinglets,
>> Robins, and Chestnut Backed Chickadees. Also spotted and/or heard were
>> Pacific Slope Flycatcher, N. Flicker, Pileated Woodpecker, Crow,
>> American
>> Goldfinch, Song Sparrow, Evening Grosbeak, Bullock's Oriole, Swainson's
>> Thrush, Spotted Towhee, Dark-eyed Junco, Turkey Vulture, Red-Tailed
>> Hawk,
>> and Steller's Jay.
>>
>> One evening, I observed 5-6 quail wandering around the softball
>> diamond,
>> foraging on the ground and chasing robins. I observed the group for
>> quite
>> some time, frustrated because they were not in my book and I had no
>> idea
>> what the species was. I made as many notes as I could, and figured I'd
>> look
>> it up when I got home. I've since confirmed they were Northern Bobwhite
>> (coincidentally, there's a photo of them in the Birds & Blooms that
>> was in
>> our mailbox AND the person who sent in the photo lives 10 miles from
>> the
>> town I grew up in in Iowa...). I wonder if these Bobwhite are
>> gamebirds that
>> someone bred and released in the wild with the intent of coming back
>> and
>> hunting them? I guess they would have to be.
>>
>> Now that we're back home we discover some type of swallow (barn, tree,
>> cliff, VG?) has built a nest in our walls... somehow. Everytime the
>> parent
>> comes back to the nest... oh the ruckus that ensues.
>>
>> Hannah
>> St. Helens
>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:41:13 -0700
> From: Lars and Gail Norgren <gnorgren at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [obol] Re: fishers
> To: Chet ogan <oganc at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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>       My father went elk hunting in the
> Eagle Cap Wilderness with four scientists
> from the state forestry lab at OSU for almost
> forty years. One of them thought they saw
> fisher tracks once. They spent all day looking
> at tracks in the snow every day for close to
> a week each trip. The Wallowas must constitute
> the largest unroaded forested area in Oregon,
> with a limited trail system that is under snow
> at least six months a year. I agree with Mike
> that the author probably skimped on fact checking.
>      The limited number of sightings published
> from the Wallowas to me is not so much evidence of
> the fisher's rarity or absence there as it is
> evidence of human rarity there relative to the
> Cascades and Coast Range. Also, the casual reader
> of Verts and Carraway could be easily mislead. As
> the most recent and thorough work on Oregon mammals
> I strongly encourage everyone to make frequent reference
> to it, but the book's approach is highly cautious.
> Only specimens are depicted on the maps and only
> specimens are treated seriously in the text. I
> had a telephone conversation last summer with
> Dr. Verts about dusky footed woodrat (Neotoma
> fuscipes) on my property. He readily indicated
> that just because some species was not shown
> occurring in a given part of the state, this
> should not be taken to imply that it did not
> occur there. We have grown so accustomed to the
> color-coded distribution maps in bird books and
> the protocol of well documented sightings that
> (hopefully) lies behind these maps that many
> people are in danger of misinterpreting Verts
> and Carraway.
>      Likewise, I immediately wonder about the
> two maps Dan Gleason cites. What basis did their
> makers use for putting fishers in the Wallowas?
> It well may involve no more fact checking than
> the article Alan read. I learned to read maps
> several years before I began to read English
> and love them intensely. They can convey instantly
> more information than pages of text, but
> the mere fact that they have been published
> does not guarantee their accuracy. In some cases
> I suspect they are portraying educated guesses
> to fill in the blanks.
> Lars Norgren
> On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Chet ogan wrote:
>
>> I understand from Dr Zielinski that fishers will bite
>> at the porcupine's face enough that in its defensive
>> attempts, it exposes its soft, spineless underbelly.
>> I have seen 3 fishers and but only one marten in the
>> wild, none in Oregon.
>>
>> Chet Ogan
>> Eureka California
>>
>> --- Tim Lee <tim2lee at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Killing porcupines isn't an easy business, according
>>> to National Audubon Society Field Guide to Mammals
>>> of
>>> North America. The fisher circle the porcupine
>>> (since
>>> porcupines rotate to keep their backs on fisher) and
>>> strike at the face unexpectedly whenever porcupine's
>>> head is facing him (the face lacks quills), often
>>> risking quill wounds.
>>>
>>> Sometimes porcupines will put their faces against
>>> the
>>> trees for protection, but fisher, which is much more
>>> agile, may climb the tree and descend headfirst,
>>> thereby forcing porcupine away from any protection.
>>> It
>>> will then repeatedly bite the face (risking
>>> surrounding quills) until the prey suffers from a
>>> shock. It's not uncommon for fishers to sustain
>>> injuries, and deaths from severe quill injuries
>>> could
>>> also occur.
>>>
>>> Porcupines aren't large percentage of fisher's diet,
>>> but very vital, since it can supply so much food,
>>> which also provides energy for over a month.
>>>
>>> Tim Lee
>>> Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>> --- pamela johnston <pamelaj at spiritone.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, Mike, HOW do they bite the porcupine on the
>>>> face? It's a pretty flat
>>>> nose at the front of a well-armed little head.
>>>>
>>>> Pam Johnston
>>>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:11:20 -0700
> From: Lars and Gail Norgren <gnorgren at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [obol] NIGHTHAWKS
> To: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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>      The numerous nighthawk postings of late
> indicate an evident rise in sightings this
> summer. I personally have probably seen or
> heard them three or four times more frequently
> in nw Washinton County than other years, which
> is still pretty infrequent. Much speculation
> has been offered on the causes of their undeniable
> decline in western Oregon, illustrating that
> tendency in human nature to emphasize that which we
> personally observe. The Common Nighthawk is among
> us a mere three months each year. All the changes
> in its breeding grounds strike me as highly plausible
> reasons for population decline. But what about
> the other 75% of its life cycle?
>      Where do they go the rest of the year?
> What do they do there? These answers could be
> the more important ones. I presume they winter
> somewhere in Latin America, where pesticides
> banned in the US may still be in use, or applied
> differently. What habitat changes have occurred
> on their wintering grounds? How much time do they
> spend in transit and where?
>      The European analogue, the Nightjar, has also
> declined substantially. A German birder told me
> 25 years ago this was due to the decline in large
> flying insects in their summer range. I  imagine
> there could be more to it. But also, what is the
> prey preference of our goatsucker? Probably different
> than many other local insectivores. Kingbirds don't
> usually forage at night, or so high up in the sky.
> Most birders' knowledge of entomology is limited.
> Whatever the cause of its long term decline, I'm
> hard pressed to find a local cause for this summer's
> upsurge in local detections.
> Lars Norgren
> MANNING OREGON
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:30:38 -0700
> From: "Robert Brock" <brockfr at SpiritOne.com>
> Subject: [obol] Re: obol Digest, Vol 33, Issue 17
> To: <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> Pleasse remove me from list.,  Thanks.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Subject: obol Digest, Vol 33, Issue 17
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>>   1. More on Purple Martins (Pat Waldron)
>>   2. Re: Corvallis dove question (Wayne Hoffman)
>>   3. Re: Corvallis dove question (Dennis P. Vroman)
>>   4. RE: Corvallis dove question (Peggy Krause)
>>   5. WHITE PELICANS at Baskett Slough - Dallas / Rickreall Oregon
>>      area (Annette Lange)
>>   6. Re: More on Purple Martins (Alan Reid)
>>   7. Zostera japonica (aka dwarf eelgrass) - Request For
>>      Observations & Info (Cindy Ashy)
>>   8. please remove me from the list serve (Jenny Goodnough)
>>   9. Mistake in email: Re: Zostera japonica (aka dwarf eelgrass) -
>>      Request For Observations & Info (Cindy Ashy)
>>  10. Re: Re: Corvallis dove question (Wayne C. Weber)
>>  11. Re: Blue-gray Gnatcatcher nesting in Benton County (Arch McCallum)
>>  12. Mountain Quail detection (Lars and Gail Norgren)
>>  13. Central Oregon (Charles R. Gates)
>>  14. Coastal Lincoln Co. sightings - 7/16 (WALTER NELSON)
>>  15. peregrines (Bryce.Sandy at epamail.epa.gov)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:16:07 -0700
>> From: Pat Waldron <puma at smt-net.com>
>> Subject: [obol] More on Purple Martins
>> To: obol <obol at lists.orst.edu>
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>>
>>   I have 10 Purple Martin nest boxes up, and I think they are all loaded.
>> If they have been monogamous, then the chances of survival are high. If
>> they
>> are into polgyny, one male mates with more than one female, then I will
>> find
>> dead chicks and nests with eggs after they have left. I am seeing lots of
>> adult males this year, which is good. It seems the second and third year
>> they were here, they tried too hard to get a colony going, and there were
>> not enough adults to feed all the chicks. That is my hunch. This is the
>> sixth year they have nested on the ranch.
>>   I started out with 8 nest boxes up this year, and I saw a horrible
>> fight,
>> as a female PUMA was looking into a Tree Swallow nest box near by that 
>> was
>> occupied. She was attacked by about 20 Tree Swallows and could barely fly
>> 10
>> inches to get on wire. The Trees did not give up. I saw her hanging
>> up-side
>> -down still being attacked. She eventually flew off, and was pursued. I
>> went
>> to the barn and prepared 2 more Martin boxes, and they were immeadiately
>> checked out and occupied. I have only one box left, so I know I have some
>> carpentry  to do this winter. Swallows take a 1.5 inch hole, Martins take
>> a
>> 2 inch hole, and like a deep box, we make ours 12 inches deep and add a 4
>> inch covered porch.
>>   I have been told - so it may not be valid- that the Martins on the West
>> Coast are a sub species, and do NOT prefer condominium houses. I have not
>> heard of condos being taken by Martins on the West coast, and I know a 
>> few
>> folks that have bought them without success. I would be interested in
>> knowing if any west coast condos are successful.
>>   Pat Waldron
>>   East of Scio
>>   Linn Co.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:31:12 -0700
>> From: "Wayne Hoffman" <whoffman at peak.org>
>> Subject: Re: [obol] Corvallis dove question
>> To: <jgeier at attglobal.net>, "Oregon Birders OnLine"
>> <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <003e01c6a91f$29fa7d00$e3341c40 at D48XBZ51>
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>>
>> I have extensive experience with Eurasian Collared-Doves from my years in
>> Florida, and considerable, although less-extensive experience with 
>> "Ringed
>> Turtle-Doves", both in the St Petersburg population, free-flying escapes
>> elsewhere, and captive birds.
>>
>> The three photos posted do not display the under-tail features at all
>> well,
>> and based only on those, I would say, indeterminate.
>>
>> HOWEVER:    The two forms differ in a number of more subtle features of
>> size
>> and proportions.  Eurasian Collared-Doves are larger, and tend to look
>> more
>> rotund.  When in the cmpany of Mourning Doves (usual in Florida)
>> Collared-Doves are distinctly larger and heavier-bodied.  "Ringed" are
>> similar to or SLIGHTLY smaller than Mourning Doves, and have less of the
>> heavy-bodied shape.  These photos lack size comparisons, but the shape
>> looks
>> good for Eurasian Collared.
>>
>> In addition, the plumage of this bird appears spot-on correct for 
>> Eurasian
>> Collared-Dove.  As you have pointed out, those other domesticated things
>> are
>> highly variable, but I have never identified one with the same shades of
>> head and back color as this bird.  My experience is that "Ringed" tend to
>> be
>> paler, particularly on the head and back, and when they are darker, they
>> run
>> to tan or brown washes rather than this gray.
>>
>> Thus, to me this bird looks distinctly more like Eurasian Collared-Dive
>> than
>> like any of the "Ringed Turtle-Doves" that I have seen.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> One caviat:  Our Mourning Doves here possibly are larger than the ones in
>> Florida?
>>
>> Wayne Hoffman
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joel Geier" <jgeier at attglobal.net>
>> To: "Oregon Birders OnLine" <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:05 PM
>> Subject: [obol] Corvallis dove question
>>
>>
>>> Hello folks,
>>>
>>> Back in late May, photos of a "collared" dove in Corvallis were posted 
>>> on
>>> the following URL:
>>>
>>> http://www.bitphotography.com/proofs/dove
>>>
>>> There was one comment on OBOL by a person who simply said "Yes, Eurasian
>>> Collared Dove" without discussion, citing personal familiarity with them
>>> from Florida.
>>>
>>> Looking at these photos now, I wonder what are the conclusive marks to
>>> rule out Ringed Turtle-Dove?
>>>
>>> The bird does appear to have darker primaries than typical for Ringed
>>> Turtle-Dove, though not darker than African Collared-Dove which is the
>>> ancestral form of the domesticated Ringed Turtle-Dove. We have had one
>>> such instance in the general area in the past (a bird in Independence
>>> that
>>> Jo Yeager and I spent a good 1+ hour looking at at close range with 
>>> primo
>>> views of the undertail, and which definitely had white undertail coverts
>>> though it had darker primaries than typical Ringed Turtle-Dove, similar
>>> to
>>> this bird).
>>>
>>> In view 1 the undertail coverts of the bird are not visible. In views 2 
>>> &
>>> 3 (IMG_0991.htm and IMG_0995.htm) they are shaded but -- even though
>>> shaded appear to be more whitish than the back, which I thought was a
>>> mark
>>> for African Collared-/Ringed Turtle-Dove.
>>>
>>> Views 2 & 3 do appear to show dark outer webs at the base of the tail,
>>> though neither view shows the underside of the webs.
>>>
>>> So my question is, are these photos really diagnostic or should we leave
>>> this bird as "Collared-Dove sp."?
>>>
>>> One Collared-Dove sp. was also seen in Corvallis in early May by an
>>> experienced birder who thought the undertail coverts were white rather
>>> than gray. There are some photos of that bird but apparently not
>>> diagnostic (expressed opinion of those who looked at them, I have not
>>> seen
>>> them).
>>>
>>> For those who have had experience mulling this over, what does it take 
>>> to
>>> establish a first record of Eurasian Collared-Dove in an area? Granted 
>>> it
>>> looks like sooner or later we are bound to be overrun with them, but 
>>> what
>>> does it take for us to say for sure, "They're here!"
>>>
>>> Or is it possible that when we get overrun, it might be a mish-mash of
>>> Eurasian Collared-Doves, feral Turtle-Doves which have started to
>>> manifest
>>> ancestral traits, and possibly hybrids of the two?
>>>
>>> In other words, what's a poor local field-notes compiler to do?
>>>
>>> Thanks & good birding,
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joel Geier
>>> jgeier at attglobal.net
>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:15:08 -0700
>> From: "Dennis P. Vroman" <dpvroman at budget.net>
>> Subject: Re: [obol] Corvallis dove question
>> To: "Wayne Hoffman" <whoffman at peak.org>, <jgeier at attglobal.net>,
>> "Oregon Birders OnLine" <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <000701c6a925$517f2910$b3351c40 at Warbler>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Wayne and Others interested,
>>
>> In regards to Mourning Dove population sizes:
>>
>> ID Guide to NA Birds (Pyle 1997) list 3 Mourning Dove subspecies:
>>
>> In Oregon would be Zenaida macroura spp. marginella; wing lengths (males
>> and
>> females) range from 133 - 159 mm, tails range from 117 - 163 mm.
>>
>> Z.m. spp. carolinensis (would include Flordia, part at least) wing 
>> lengths
>> range 131 - 152 mm, tails range from 114 - 153 mm.
>>
>> Z.m. spp macroura (breeds south Flordia Islands) wing lengths range 128 -
>> 144 mm, tails range from 96 - 133 mm.
>>
>> Could not find any thing in the CRC Handbook of Avian Body Masses
>> (Dunning,
>> Jr - editor 1993) on the different subspecies of Mourning Dove.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> One caviat:  Our Mourning Doves here possibly are larger than the ones 
>>> in
>>> Florida?
>>>
>>> Wayne Hoffman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:48:00 -0700
>> From: "Peggy Krause" <peggyk at exchangenet.net>
>> Subject: RE: [obol] Corvallis dove question
>> To: "'Dennis P. Vroman'" <dpvroman at budget.net>, "'Wayne Hoffman'"
>> <whoffman at peak.org>, <jgeier at attglobal.net>, "'Oregon Birders OnLine'"
>> <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <003601c6a94b$6ac5b120$6500a8c0 at bitphoto>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Taker of the pictures here. The bird in the photos was definitely larger
>> than the mourning doves I normally have in my yard. It was only here
>> about 2 weeks and I haven't seen it since. But, when it was coming
>> around my feeder, it was in the company of several mourning doves so I
>> could judge that it was larger. That's what made me notice it.
>>
>> Peggy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: obol-bounces at lists.oregonstate.edu
>> [mailto:obol-bounces at lists.oregonstate.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis P.
>> Vroman
>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:15 PM
>> To: Wayne Hoffman; jgeier at attglobal.net; Oregon Birders OnLine
>> Subject: Re: [obol] Corvallis dove question
>>
>>
>> Wayne and Others interested,
>>
>> In regards to Mourning Dove population sizes:
>>
>> ID Guide to NA Birds (Pyle 1997) list 3 Mourning Dove subspecies:
>>
>> In Oregon would be Zenaida macroura spp. marginella; wing lengths (males
>> and
>> females) range from 133 - 159 mm, tails range from 117 - 163 mm.
>>
>> Z.m. spp. carolinensis (would include Flordia, part at least) wing
>> lengths
>> range 131 - 152 mm, tails range from 114 - 153 mm.
>>
>> Z.m. spp macroura (breeds south Flordia Islands) wing lengths range 128
>> -
>> 144 mm, tails range from 96 - 133 mm.
>>
>> Could not find any thing in the CRC Handbook of Avian Body Masses
>> (Dunning,
>> Jr - editor 1993) on the different subspecies of Mourning Dove.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> One caviat:  Our Mourning Doves here possibly are larger than the ones
>>
>>> in
>>> Florida?
>>>
>>> Wayne Hoffman
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Annette Lange <nettielh at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [obol] WHITE PELICANS at Baskett Slough - Dallas / Rickreall
>> Oregon area
>> To: obol at lists.oregonstate.edu
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>> Audubon Trip led by David Smith (and many other knowledgeable and sharing
>> birders) was a success Sat. July 15.  Participants even brought scopes!
>> Amazing!
>>  Wetlands outside of Banks were beautiful - my fisrt Black-Throated Gray
>> warbler -  and the Western Tanagers were in ideal light. Gorgeous!
>>  ..  === === ===
>>  Strangest of all -.. WHITE   PELICANS  out in the shallows at Baskett
>> Slough where we were looking for the illusive Black Duck...... I think 
>> all
>> the nutria have pushed it far afield.  The nutria were everywhere.... as
>> were the cliff swallows.  Droppings at least 1/2 inch thick.
>>  Annette  Nettielh at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:29:35 -0700
>> From: "Alan Reid" <areid at nu-world.com>
>> Subject: Re: [obol] More on Purple Martins
>> To: "Pat Waldron" <puma at smt-net.com>, "obol" <obol at lists.orst.edu>
>> Message-ID: <008e01c6a959$9bbd8470$0200a8c0 at ReidDesktop>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Probably not really a Condo, but for a few years there was a unit of 4
>> together at the Florence Old Town Docks that had multiple residents.
>>
>> Alan Reid  areid at nu-world.com
>> 2 miles below Leaburg
>> on the McKenzie Hwy.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Pat Waldron" <puma at smt-net.com>
>> To: "obol" <obol at lists.orst.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:16 PM
>> Subject: [obol] More on Purple Martins
>>
>>
>>>
>>>   I have 10 Purple Martin nest boxes up, and I think they are all 
>>> loaded.
>>> If they have been monogamous, then the chances of survival are high. If
>>> they
>>> are into polgyny, one male mates with more than one female, then I will
>>> find
>>> dead chicks and nests with eggs after they have left. I am seeing lots 
>>> of
>>> adult males this year, which is good. It seems the second and third year
>>> they were here, they tried too hard to get a colony going, and there 
>>> were
>>> not enough adults to feed all the chicks. That is my hunch. This is the
>>> sixth year they have nested on the ranch.
>>>   I started out with 8 nest boxes up this year, and I saw a horrible
>>> fight,
>>> as a female PUMA was looking into a Tree Swallow nest box near by that
>>> was
>>> occupied. She was attacked by about 20 Tree Swallows and could barely 
>>> fly
>>> 10
>>> inches to get on wire. The Trees did not give up. I saw her hanging
>>> up-side
>>> -down still being attacked. She eventually flew off, and was pursued. I
>>> went
>>> to the barn and prepared 2 more Martin boxes, and they were immeadiately
>>> checked out and occupied. I have only one box left, so I know I have 
>>> some
>>> carpentry  to do this winter. Swallows take a 1.5 inch hole, Martins 
>>> take
>>> a
>>> 2 inch hole, and like a deep box, we make ours 12 inches deep and add a 
>>> 4
>>> inch covered porch.
>>>   I have been told - so it may not be valid- that the Martins on the 
>>> West
>>> Coast are a sub species, and do NOT prefer condominium houses. I have 
>>> not
>>> heard of condos being taken by Martins on the West coast, and I know a
>>> few
>>> folks that have bought them without success. I would be interested in
>>> knowing if any west coast condos are successful.
>>>   Pat Waldron
>>>   East of Scio
>>>   Linn Co.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:55:52 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Cindy Ashy <tunicate89 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [obol] Zostera japonica (aka dwarf eelgrass) - Request For
>> Observations & Info
>> To: OBOL <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <20060717045552.5051.qmail at web51801.mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> Zostera japonica (aka Dwarf Eelgrass, Japanese Eelgrass) is a non-native
>> eelgrass that came in with cultivated oysters. In Oregon, it currently
>> grows
>> mostly in the upper intertidal zone, prime shorebird roosting and feeding
>> habitat. At low tide when its short blades are lying flat, it gives the
>> mudflat
>> a green hairy look. A picture of Zostera japonica, along with other
>> non-native
>> species found in Oregon estuaries, can be found at the following URL:
>> http://web.science.oregonstate.edu/~yamadas/second.html
>>
>> While Oregon has developed a plan to deal with Spartina and several 
>> groups
>> seem
>> dedicated to controlling knotweed, it seems to me that Zostera japonica
>> may be
>> flying a bit under the radar.
>>
>> I would be grateful to hear from birders their observations of bird
>> interaction
>> with Zostera japonica, particularly shorebirds (which is why I've waited
>> to
>> shorebird season to post this). For example, do you see shorebirds avoid
>> feeding on the portion of mudflat covered with Zostera japonica as they
>> work
>> their way down the beach? (I did in the Spring, especially with 
>> Whimbrels)
>> I'd
>> be interested in which species do forage and which do not forage on
>> mudflat
>> covered with it. Another example....do you see shorebirds avoid roosting
>> on
>> mudflat covered with Zostera japonica as the tide comes in? (I have seen
>> shorebirds avoid mudflat covered with the stuff in Sallys
>> Bend...especially
>> peeps...they seemed to fly away as soon as all the areas that weren't
>> covered
>> with Zostera japonica were underwater, even though there was plenty of
>> beach
>> left for roosting).
>>
>> I would also be interested in any changes to invertebrate fauna you may
>> have
>> observed in areas that have become overgrown with Zostera 
>> japonica....even
>> something as general as there seems to be less burrows.
>>
>> I am interested in learning more specifically where this is growing in
>> Oregon
>> and information about how extensive each patch is. If you know of any
>> efforts
>> to eradicate this non-native or even people talking about such a plan,
>> please
>> let me know.
>>
>> For those of you who birdwatch in the Yaquina Bay area, there are large
>> patches
>> of the stuff in Sallys Bend. There is also a patch on the Hatfield side 
>> of
>> the
>> bay.
>>
>> I think the importance of early detection and early eradication of
>> non-native
>> species from both the ecological and economical perspective can not be
>> over-emphasized. However, getting people committed to actually doing 
>> these
>> types of projects early on before they become more of a problem is a real
>> challenge. So far, Zostera japonica has not been a real threat to
>> commercial
>> species but neither was Spartina in Washington in 1990 when there was 
>> only
>> a
>> "small" patch which could have been removed by digging....now their only
>> hope
>> of eradication is the aerial spraying of herbicides which are non-species
>> specific and is costing millions....but then there is the problem of how
>> do you
>> fund the removal of non-natives that aren't impacting commercial
>> species....maybe we focus on the  loss of mudflat habitat and how much
>> cheaper
>> it would be if we catch it early?
>>
>> I will be happy to post a summary of all observations reported to 
>> me/OBOL.
>> I
>> read OBOL almost daily so if you want to post your observations to OBOL
>> directly I will see them...or you can use the email in my sig. Thanks in
>> advance.
>>
>> Your observations could be end up being helpful in convincing people to
>> develop
>> a plan for this non-native species.
>>
>> Cindy Ashy
>> tunicate AT yahoo.com
>>
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>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:23:53 -0700
>> From: Jenny Goodnough <jenny at peak.org>
>> Subject: [obol] please remove me from the list serve
>> To: "obol at lists.oregonstate.edu" <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <44BB1EE9.3060405 at peak.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Please remove me from the obol list serve.  We are moving to Alaska and
>> I will be checking in via the webpage.
>>
>> I have found this to be a most informative and interesting experience
>> and want to say thank you to all who share their expertise and findings.
>>
>> I have learned a lot.
>>
>> Jenny Goodnough
>> Eugene
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Cindy Ashy <tunicate89 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [obol] Mistake in email: Re: Zostera japonica (aka dwarf
>> eelgrass) - Request For Observations & Info
>> To: OBOL <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <20060717054738.72440.qmail at web51802.mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Sorry guys, my email should be:
>>
>> tunicate89 AT yahoo.com
>>
>> (I forgot the 89 part)
>>
>> Cindy Ashy
>>
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>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:08:01 -0700
>> From: "Wayne C. Weber" <contopus at telus.net>
>> Subject: Re: [obol] Re: Corvallis dove question
>> To: "JOEL GEIER" <jgeier at attglobal.net>
>> Cc: OBOL <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <00e801c6a967$5c46b060$6500a8c0 at bc.hsia.telus.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Joel and Oregon Birders,
>>
>> For males, at least, I would like to offer the opinion that the song is
>> the best method of separating Ringed Turtle-Doves from Eurasian Collared-
>> Doves in the field. The two species have very different songs. My
>> impression is that both species sing year-round, but I may be incorrect
>> on this point.
>>
>> I don't know how the song of the Ringed Turtle-Dove compares
>> with that of the ancestral African Collared-Dove, having never heard the
>> latter.
>>
>> Of course, songs cannot be documented from photographs. This is
>> one of the many bird ID questions where a photograph alone may not be
>> enough to conclusively determine the ID. A full description of the bird,
>> including song and other behavior patterns, may be needed.
>>
>> At the rate that Eurasian Collared-Doves are increasing in the Pacific
>> Northwest, the question of distinguishing them from the infrequent
>> escaped Ringed Turtle-Dove may soon be academic. It seems likely
>> that the former will soon vastly outnumber the latter, and that any
>> escaped Ringed Turtle-Doves that do survive will disappear quickly
>> because of competition from or interbreeding with Collared-Doves.
>>
>> Wayne C. Weber
>> Delta, BC
>> contopus at telus.net
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joel Geier" <jgeier at attglobal.net>
>> To: "Oregon Birders OnLine" <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:19 AM
>> Subject: [obol] Re: Corvallis dove question
>>
>>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I've been looking at some "dove fancier" pages to try to get a handle on
>> Ringed Turtle-Dove variation and the pet trade.
>>
>> What I learned is that:
>>
>> (1) the plumage of Ringed Turtle-Doves is considered to be a recessive
>> genetic trait relative to the ancestral African Collared-Dove, and
>>
>> (2) apparently there is a common practice of back-crossing domestic
>> Ringed Turtle-Dove to African Collared-Dove stock to produce the
>> ancestral plumage, and those birds are in the pet trade.
>>
>> This, along with the occurrence of a somewhat tame-acting but
>> free-flying Collared-Dove sp. in Independence (Polk Co.) a few years ago
>> which showed all marks of African Collared-Dove in close study,
>> convinces me that this species/plumage should be considered in diagnosis
>> of Collared-Dove sp. sightings in this part of Oregon. Perhaps we could
>> call them "Africanized Ringed Turtle-Doves" a la Africanized bees.
>>
>> African Collared-Dove (per bird guides and photos on dove sites on the
>> web) has dark primaries very similar in appearance to Eurasian
>> Collared-Dove. Hence this field mark (mentioned in Sibley) does not seem
>> to be diagnostic on its own if "Africanized" turtle-doves need to be
>> considered.
>>
>> African has white (rather than black) outer webs on the base of the tail
>> feathers, so this field mark still seems to be diagnostic for Eurasian
>> Collared-Dove. However, African does show a fairly extensive triangle of
>> black at the base of the tail on either side of the undertail coverts,
>> which might make this mark difficult to be certain of.
>>
>> The best field mark for distinguishing Eurasian Collared-Dove from
>> Ringed Turtle-Doves, of either standard or "Africanized" stock, seems to
>> be the white undertail coverts (vs. dusky gray on Eurasian).
>>
>> Considering this information, my question posed earlier boils down to
>> this:
>>
>> Are the views of the outer webs at the tail base, and of the undertail
>> coverts on the Corvallis bird, adequate to discriminate between Eurasian
>> Collared-Dove and "Africanized" Ringed Turtle-Dove?
>>
>> I would appreciate if OBOLers who have field experience with this ID
>> problem could comment on said photos.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joel
>>
>> --
>> Joel Geier
>> jgeier at attglobal.net
>>
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>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:24:38 -0700
>> From: "Arch McCallum" <archmcc at qwest.net>
>> Subject: Re: [obol] Blue-gray Gnatcatcher nesting in Benton County
>> To: jgeier at attglobal.net, "Oregon Birders OnLine"
>> <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20060717081630.05f3bdf0 at pop.eugn.qwest.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>> At 05:39 PM 7/13/2006, Joel Geier wrote:
>>>Hello folks,
>>>
>>>Elsie Eltzroth and Marcia Cutler today (13 Jul) confirmed nesting by a
>>>Blue-gray Gnatcatcher at a private residence south of Philomath in Benton
>>>County. The nest was in a fork of a nearly bare, lowest branch of a 
>>>cherry
>>>tree just 3-4 ft. off the ground.
>>
>> Hello OBOL,
>> In a later post, Joel retracted the bggn identification and suggested an
>> empid, possibly pacslope. Actually, it's highly unlikely to be pacslope,
>> as
>> they normally place their nests on a flat surface beside a vertical
>> surface, e.g., the window ledge of a campground bathroom building.
>> [Speaking of which, the new generation of prefab toilet buildings that
>> seems to be used by all public agencies is putting a lot of deserving
>> western flycatchers and phoebes out of a home. They seem to be designed 
>> to
>> prevent nest placement by these birds.]
>>
>> I even have my doubts about any empid, and any empid other than wifl and
>> psfl in Philomath would be a pretty good record, wouldn't it? If by fork,
>> they mean horizontal, that would normally eliminate all empids but
>> Acadian,
>> which is unique in the genus for its vireo-like nest hanging from the two
>> tynes of a horizontal fork.
>>
>> So, how about a vireo?
>>
>> Good nest-finding,
>> Arch McCallum
>> Eugene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:15:07 -0700
>> From: Lars and Gail Norgren <gnorgren at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: [obol] Mountain Quail detection
>> To: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <2c2e500af9adc3f39201804639640ce9 at earthlink.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>>     The Dog Days of August with their dreadful
>> silent dawns are approaching. One way to compensate
>> this loss is to look for Mountain Quail, whose
>> detectability goes from its annual low in June
>> to its annual high in August. Pat Waldron posted
>> the arrival in her yard of Mountain Quail chicks
>> about the last day of June. Inspired by this I
>> took a walk first thing Sunday morning July 2
>> and was rewarded by a group of downy chicks
>> somewhat under 3km from my house. I never saw
>> the parents. Pat mentioned dust baths in surprisingly
>> hard gravel roads. I had just passed a dozen
>> such traces when I saw the chicks.
>>      These dust baths make it possible to locate
>> quail territories without hearing or seeing them.
>> You then have the option of returning in the near
>> future in hopes of better luck. The Mountain Quail
>> remove the coarsest gravel from the road and work
>> up a layer of dust in the resulting shallow bowl.
>> The scrape is about the size of an adult human hand,
>> that is to say the area a Mountain Quail would take
>> up when lying on its side. I can't think of other
>> birds in this habitat that would have the power
>> to scrape through such hard packed ground. A few
>> small body feathers are often left behind. Once
>> established, these dust baths are used daily. The
>> ones in my neighborhood occur in the same places
>> used by quail in the middle of winter. If you can't
>> return to a spot immediately, visiting it months
>> later may still be rewarding.
>> Lars Norgren
>> MANNING OREGON
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:34:30 -0700
>> From: "Charles R. Gates" <cgates at empnet.com>
>> Subject: [obol] Central Oregon
>> To: "obol" <obol at lists.orst.edu>
>> Message-ID: <DAEPJHIHFEIMNNFCNJKHGEJBDGAA.cgates at empnet.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I spent the weekend birding with Steve Shunk's Paradise Birding 
>> Woodpecker
>> Tour.  We did pretty well considering the birding gets very slow after
>> 9:00
>> am in July.  We saw 101 Species.  We found all of the Central Oregon
>> Woodpeckers except 3-toed.  We searched every known 3-toad hide-out
>> including Hosmer Lake but found nothing.  Here are the highlights:
>>
>> COLD SPRINGS CAMPGROUND - DESCHUTES COUNTY
>> 2 White-headed Woodpeckers
>> 1 BLACK-BACKED WOODPECKER
>> 2 Hammond's Flycatchers
>> 2 Pygmy Nuthatches
>> 1 Green-tailed Towhee
>> 1 Fox Sparrow
>>
>> NEAR JACK LAKE - JEFFERSON COUNTY
>> 3 Olive-sided Flycatchers
>> 2 Hermit Thrush
>> 2 Dusky Flycatchers
>> 3 Williamson's Sapsuckers
>>
>> CENTURY DRIVE - DESCHUTES COUNTY
>> NORTHERN GOSHAWK - Crossed the road in front of us
>> Townsend's Solitaire
>> 12 Lewis's Woodpeckers - Entrada Burn
>> 3 PURPLE FINCHES
>>
>> WICKIUP RESERVOIR - DESCHUTES COUNTY
>> 12 White Pelicans
>> 65 Long-billed Dowitcher
>> 1 Sora
>>
>> TUMALO RESERVOIR - DESCHUTES COUNTY
>> 2 Greater Yellowlegs
>> 7 Western Sandpipers
>> 8 Least Sandpipers
>> 2 Spotted Sandpipers
>>
>> BRUSH CREEK BASIN - JEFFERSON COUNTY
>> 2 Cassin's Finch
>> 3 PURPLE FINCH
>> 2 Pileated Woodpeckers - Drumming in close
>> 2 Red-naped Sapsuckers
>> 1 Sooty Grouse
>> 1 Lazuli Bunting
>> 1 Downy Woodpecker
>> 1 MacGillivray's Warbler
>>
>> FOREST SERVICE GRAVEL PIT - SANTIAM PASS - LINN COUNTY
>> 1 Spotted Sandpiper
>> 1 BLACK-BACKED WOODPECKER
>>
>> CABBOT LAKE TRAILHEAD - JEFFERSON COUNTY
>> Vaux's Swift
>>
>> LAKE CREEK LODGE - NEAR CAMP SHERMAN - JEFFERSON COUNTY
>> 1 WHITE-HEADED WOODPECKER
>> 4 Rufous Hummingbirds
>>
>> CAMP SHERMAN - JEFFERSON COUNTY
>> 1 Dipper
>>
>> Chuck Gates
>> Powell Butte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:23:38 -0700
>> From: "WALTER NELSON" <nelsoncheek at charter.net>
>> Subject: [obol] Coastal Lincoln Co. sightings - 7/16
>> To: <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>> Message-ID: <52sfh8$1pdk86v at mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yesterday afternoon (7/16) a flock of 5 RAVENS flew north over our yard,
>> presumably a family group since a yelling juvenile was bringing up the
>> rear
>> of the procession.  I've heard the juveniles in nearby treetops for the
>> past
>> 2 weeks but this was the first sighting.  It's a good day if I see even
>> one
>> Raven locally, so this was a notable high count as well as the first
>> visual
>> confirmation of nearby breeding.  The local Crows were clearly unhappy
>> about
>> the Ravens' presence, but did not attack.  Possibly they felt 
>> outnumbered.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also yesterday afternoon the local Starlings alerted me to the presence 
>> of
>> a
>> juvenile SHARP-SHINNED HAWK soaring southward just east of the ocean
>> bluff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yesterday morning a juvenile MOURNING DOVE visited our feeder.  Over the
>> past 8 years visits by this species have increased from annual to
>> occasional
>> to semi-regular, but this was the first juvenile we have noted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally, if coastal visitors are interested in seeing MARBLED MURRELETS 
>> on
>> their dawn flights to nesting areas, now is the time and Cape Perpetua
>> Scenic area is the place.  All that is required is to haul oneself out of
>> bed in time to be at the Cape Creek Campground by 5 AM.  Drive to the end
>> of
>> the campground road, park, get out of the car and look up at the sky.
>> (Even
>> easier would be to camp there and go outside at first light.)  Murrelets
>> can
>> be seen flying above treetop level as they circle or commute between nest
>> trees and ocean.  Yesterday the show began about 5:15 AM and was over by 
>> 6
>> AM.  We saw about 20 birds flying in ones and twos, though some may be
>> have
>> been seen multiple times as there was a lot of circling flight.  Despite
>> quiet conditions we did not hear any vocalizations, which possibly
>> indicates
>> the nest trees are nearby.
>>
>> ______________________
>>
>> Rebecca Cheek
>> Hwy 101 six miles south of Newport
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:35:44 -0700
>> From: Bryce.Sandy at epamail.epa.gov
>> Subject: [obol] peregrines
>> To: obol at lists.oregonstate.edu
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi OBOL,
>>
>> While eating lunch and taking in the panorama on top of Ollallie Butte
>> (7200 ft. peak just north of Mt. Jefferson) Sunday, Lynne McAllister and
>> I were entertained by a pair of peregrine falcons doing acrobatics in
>> the high wind. They flew formations together, tumbling occasionally
>> talon to talon, shrieking, and then zooming off.  At one point they both
>> swooped past our heads at eye level from behind giving us a bit of a
>> shock. Clearly showing off!
>>
>> Sandy Bryce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ************************************
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:52:22 -0700
> From: Linda Fink <linda at fink.com>
> Subject: [obol] miniature Say's Phoebe?
> To: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
> Message-ID: <44BD11C6.8090404 at fink.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Okay, so it's not a mini phoebe. Sure wish I knew what it was. The
> tiniest flycatcher appeared on our pasture fences yesterday, flycatching
> from the same perches the Say's Phoebe used the one time it visited but
> not sitting in one spot nearly as long as the Phoebe did. It darts down
> into the grass and back up, dips its tail up and down frequently, then
> darts out again and lands a little ways away -- or farther away -- and
> then disappears. I've seen it sitting next to our resident swallows -- 
> much smaller than they. This morning it sat next to Robins briefly -- at
> most 1/3rd the size. This is a *tiny* flycatcher. Both viewings were
> with the naked eye at first -- no discernable eyering or wingbars.
> Yesterday I did get the binocs on briefly -- no eyering or wingbars,
> maybe a blush of some color on the belly but that was in flight and
> briefly seen. The bird is here and then its gone. I thought it was just
> a fly-through yesterday so didn't ask anyone then. But it was back on
> the fencelines this a.m. for maybe five minutes before I went for the
> binocs and of course it had disappeared. I thought Empidonax at first
> but no wingbars?   It has not uttered a sound that I've heard.
>
> Any ideas? The only thing I can find in the books that comes close can't
> be here: Northern Beardless Tyrannulet.
>
> Unfortunately, I am leaving this morning for 3 days -- be back Thursday
> afternoon. If I see the mini flycatcher when I get back, I'll post
> again. And read what any of you have suggested. I won't have email until
> I return. Johnny will be here doing chores and you might talk him into
> staking out the place if you think it's worthwhile to do so. But I don't
> know when he could be reached. Our phone is 503-879-5354. Leave a
> message. His email is john at fink.com  Those who have chased birds here
> before may come without talking to Johnny. Walk straight down the
> driveway into the riding arena and scan the fencelines.
>
> Linda Fink, near Grand Ronde, Yamhill Co.
> cell 503-474-8122, intermittent coverage where I'm going
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kat & Bill <katandbill at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [obol] First Junco in yard/ crow w/ white wing/hummers
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> This morning I saw the telltale flash of a Junco's
> "skirt" as it flew out of the garden and into the
> trees. Isn't it way too early for them to return to
> the valley?
>
> Also, a crow flew over yesterday and I noticed that
> his right wing was white on the underside. I've seen
> another crow in the neighborhood that had white on the
> underside but it was on both wings.
>
> The hummingbird wars are in full swing at our house.
> Between the feeders, fuschias, scarlet runner beans
> and bee balm, we have a full scale invasion!
>
> We have Anna's (2 pair) and a Rufous pair that sneak
> in when they can.
>
> Anyway, that's a brief snapshot of what is happening
> in our yard this summer!
>
> Kat in Eugene - off River Road
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:39:20 -0700
> From: "michel Kleinbaum" <mklittletree at comcast.net>
> Subject: [obol] Summer Gulls in Salem
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>  Last evening, sitting outside with my son Georges, we noticed a flight of
> white birds flying high and North West, 16 in a V formation and 2 to the
> side.
>
>  We thought of pelicans at first, but they turned out to be gulls. They 
> had
> black wing tips so we thought Ring-bills or California.
>
>  Over 10 years at this address we rarely see gulls flying over, even in
> winter. A Glaucous-wing now and then and once 2 Ring-bill Gulls.
>
>
>
> Michel Kleinbaum   S. Salem
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>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:17:12 -0700
> From: Jeff Gilligan <jeffgill at teleport.com>
> Subject: Re: [obol] Re: fishers
> To: Lars and Gail Norgren <gnorgren at earthlink.net>, Chet ogan
> <oganc at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: obol <obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
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> About 25 years ago  Dave Irons (I think it was Dave Irons) and I found a
> road-kill Fisher near the summit of the Coast Range in Tillamook County. 
> It
> wasn't in good condition - so we left the specimen.   Jeff Gilligan.
> Portland.
>
>
> On 7/18/06 2:41 AM, "Lars and Gail Norgren" <gnorgren at earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
>
>>        My father went elk hunting in the
>> Eagle Cap Wilderness with four scientists
>> from the state forestry lab at OSU for almost
>> forty years. One of them thought they saw
>> fisher tracks once. They spent all day looking
>> at tracks in the snow every day for close to
>> a week each trip. The Wallowas must constitute
>> the largest unroaded forested area in Oregon,
>> with a limited trail system that is under snow
>> at least six months a year. I agree with Mike
>> that the author probably skimped on fact checking.
>>       The limited number of sightings published
>> from the Wallowas to me is not so much evidence of
>> the fisher's rarity or absence there as it is
>> evidence of human rarity there relative to the
>> Cascades and Coast Range. Also, the casual reader
>> of Verts and Carraway could be easily mislead. As
>> the most recent and thorough work on Oregon mammals
>> I strongly encourage everyone to make frequent reference
>> to it, but the book's approach is highly cautious.
>> Only specimens are depicted on the maps and only
>> specimens are treated seriously in the text. I
>> had a telephone conversation last summer with
>> Dr. Verts about dusky footed woodrat (Neotoma
>> fuscipes) on my property. He readily indicated
>> that just because some species was not shown
>> occurring in a given part of the state, this
>> should not be taken to imply that it did not
>> occur there. We have grown so accustomed to the
>> color-coded distribution maps in bird books and
>> the protocol of well documented sightings that
>> (hopefully) lies behind these maps that many
>> people are in danger of misinterpreting Verts
>> and Carraway.
>>       Likewise, I immediately wonder about the
>> two maps Dan Gleason cites. What basis did their
>> makers use for putting fishers in the Wallowas?
>> It well may involve no more fact checking than
>> the article Alan read. I learned to read maps
>> several years before I began to read English
>> and love them intensely. They can convey instantly
>> more information than pages of text, but
>> the mere fact that they have been published
>> does not guarantee their accuracy. In some cases
>> I suspect they are portraying educated guesses
>> to fill in the blanks.
>> Lars Norgren
>> On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Chet ogan wrote:
>>
>>> I understand from Dr Zielinski that fishers will bite
>>> at the porcupine's face enough that in its defensive
>>> attempts, it exposes its soft, spineless underbelly.
>>> I have seen 3 fishers and but only one marten in the
>>> wild, none in Oregon.
>>>
>>> Chet Ogan
>>> Eureka California
>>>
>>> --- Tim Lee <tim2lee at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Killing porcupines isn't an easy business, according
>>>> to National Audubon Society Field Guide to Mammals
>>>> of
>>>> North America. The fisher circle the porcupine
>>>> (since
>>>> porcupines rotate to keep their backs on fisher) and
>>>> strike at the face unexpectedly whenever porcupine's
>>>> head is facing him (the face lacks quills), often
>>>> risking quill wounds.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes porcupines will put their faces against
>>>> the
>>>> trees for protection, but fisher, which is much more
>>>> agile, may climb the tree and descend headfirst,
>>>> thereby forcing porcupine away from any protection.
>>>> It
>>>> will then repeatedly bite the face (risking
>>>> surrounding quills) until the prey suffers from a
>>>> shock. It's not uncommon for fishers to sustain
>>>> injuries, and deaths from severe quill injuries
>>>> could
>>>> also occur.
>>>>
>>>> Porcupines aren't large percentage of fisher's diet,
>>>> but very vital, since it can supply so much food,
>>>> which also provides energy for over a month.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Lee
>>>> Eugene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- pamela johnston <pamelaj at spiritone.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, Mike, HOW do they bite the porcupine on the
>>>>> face? It's a pretty flat
>>>>> nose at the front of a well-armed little head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pam Johnston
>>>>>
>>>>>
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