[obol] "parasitism?"

[Floyd Schrock]

There must have been some reason that Coast Range loggers and hunters in my 
dad's generation referred to Gray Jays as "camp robbers."  In fact, I doubt 
that my uncles, who had moved west from Kansas, even think of them as Jays 
to this day.  The Steller's Jays they found in Oregon became "Blue Jays" 
(After all, they were blue and had a crest on their heads!) and in Oregon in 
the 1930's very few people ever saw the "crestless" California ( now Scrub) 
Jay.  My dad did become a birder, and in accordance with Gabrielson & Jewett 
called them "Oregon" Jays.

I suppose some Clark's Nutcrackers might contend that they are the original 
"Camp Robbers."

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Floyd Schrock
McMinnville, Oregon  USA
fschrock at macnet.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara & John Woodhouse" <jbw at pacifier.com>
To: "Darrel Faxon" <5hats at peak.org>; "Dennis P. Vroman" 
<dpvroman at budget.net>; "pamela johnston" <pamelaj at spiritone.com>; "obol" 
<obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [obol] "parasitism?"


> Good queastion, do you think it could have anything to do with less
> people on the Coast range. Where we were preyed on by GREY JAYS was
> at a picnic area on Mount Rainier. There really aren't many areas
> that gets a bunch of people eating on hte Coast Range. In the days
> when we had them at the Cape Mears SP they used to beg in the picnic
> area there. The last time we saw them in that region was the year
> when the Loop Road slide and closed the road. We were walking down
> form the top and a bunch of them appeared and were down on the road
> all around us. We have not seen them since.
>
> Barbara Woodhouse
> Tillamook
>
>
>
>
> At 7:07 AM -0800 1/8/2007, Darrel Faxon wrote:
>>Brings up a question.  I have seen Gray Jays act like that in central
>>Oregon, coming right into camp and taking food right out of people's 
>>hands.
>>But I have never seen the ones in the Coast Range even get close to 
>>people.
>>Has anybody else observered close interactions between the jays and people
>>in the Coast Range?  And if not, what accounts for the difference?
>>Thoughts??
>>
>>Darrel
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dennis P. Vroman" <dpvroman at budget.net>
>>To: "pamela johnston" <pamelaj at spiritone.com>; "obol"
>><obol at lists.oregonstate.edu>
>>Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:19 AM
>>Subject: Re: [obol] "parasitism?"
>>
>>
>>>  Gray Jays are pretty brave...even the juveniles.  Once at Crater Lake 
>>> NP,
>>>  while enjoying lunch, a "gray" juvenile Gray Jay landed on my wife's 
>>> head
>>>  in
>>>  an attempt to get a grape she was about to eat.  It came in from behind
>>>  her
>>>  and she didn't see it coming.  Needless to say scared the devil (well,
>>>  most
>>>  of it) out of her.
>>>
>>>  Dennis
>>>
>>>>  Or gulls waiting to see if that Great Blue Heron can really swallow 
>>>> that
>>>>  fish, and Gray Jays waiting to steal skiers' sandwiches.
>>>>
>>>>  Pamela Johnston
>>>
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